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my name is David Raveena's and I am an

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analyst of dreams I do dream

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interpretations and I hold workshops and

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I do classes and I have individual

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sessions with people when I was still in

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college the last couple of years I

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started working at a mental health

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clinic this was back in the late 1960s

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and in those days the federal government

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did not as yet have a program set in

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place for special education so any kids

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with special needs

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ended up getting education at a mental

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health clinic and so I became a teacher

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as part of an internship at a mental

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health clinic locally where I was going

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to college and while I was in this

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internship one of the things that the

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staff at the mental health clinic

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especially encouraged was that those who

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were working at the clinic continued

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their education in psychology by going

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to any workshops any seminars that were

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available and one time I went to a

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workshop that was being run by some

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people who were devotees of a man named

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fritz perls who was a great psychiatrist

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and who was one of the founders of the

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gestalt movement of psychology and these

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guys worked especially with dreams and

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even though the gestalt work that we

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were doing in general was very

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interesting to me when it got to the

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dream part I was completely fascinated

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and that was when my work with dreams

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began I started off using the gestalt

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method and continued to use that

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technique over a time period eventually

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developing my own method and maybe

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taking it to a slightly more

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metaphysical realm in which to work from

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dreams theirs were their approach was

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specifically about it was about the the

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psychological relevance of dreams I

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more interested in the spiritual realm

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more the spiritual relevance of dreams

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when I developed my own method of

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working with dreams one of the things

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that became very interesting to me was

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the idea that dreams don't stop when we

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wake up in the morning most most dreams

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speak in metaphors we all know about

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dream symbols and so dreams communicate

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with us through these symbols which are

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really metaphoric communications if you

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take a symbol like let's say a car a car

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well a car is really a vehicle if you

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think about it metaphorically it's a

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vehicle and a vehicle doesn't

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necessarily have to be a physical

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vehicle it can be a vehicle to take you

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to your goal it can be a vehicle for

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expression it can be a vehicle for

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spiritual enlightenment

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so dreams if we dream about a car it is

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a vehicle but it might be dreaming we

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might be actually dreaming about

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something that really has nothing to do

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about physical locomotion

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well the idea that this kind of

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communication is metaphoric

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communication happens not only when we

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are asleep at night but continues

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throughout our daytime experiences was

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one that came as a great surprise to me

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and I wanted to find out if we could in

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fact take the experiences of our

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awakened lives the experiences we have

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during the day and treat them as if they

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were dreams and I can give you an

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example there was a woman I was working

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with who dreamed actually several dreams

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that she had at night the typical kinds

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of dreams which I call sleeping dreams

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where she was involved in an automobile

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accident and then one day she was

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driving down the road now this is in her

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awakened state and she actually had a

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car crash in which she ended up being

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left nobody

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she ended up her car ended up in the

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woods and it smacked into a tree and

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nobody found her till the next day she

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was lying there and she was okay

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actually but when I talked with her one

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of the things we talked about was how

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there are two ways to look at this one

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way is to say well you had some dreams

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during your sleep that were prophetic

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and so they were prophesying the fact

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that you are going to have this accident

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during your awakened state there's

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another way to look at it and that is to

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say that the same experience happened

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both during your sleep and during your

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awakened state what I call a waking

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dream and the reason that I can say that

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is because not all of these kinds of

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awake experiences are preceded by asleep

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that by a dream that you have when

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you're asleep a lot of times these

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experiences happen to us without any

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warning at all and there are three kinds

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of waking waking experiences waking

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dreams that fall into the category of

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ones I would say that are really

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important that need to be dealt with

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that need to be examined a dream that's

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shocking like an automobile accident a

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dream that's bizarre and I can give an

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example of that a guy was going from his

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office

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to a conference and he was getting in

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his car and as he was taking the keys it

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to his car out of his pocket he

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accidentally let them go and they

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dropped out of his hand and there

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happened to be a sewer grate right there

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and the keys slipped through the sewer

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grate down into the sewer and he

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couldn't get to his conference now

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that's a totally bizarre experience

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that's the kind of thing that does not

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happen to you

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maybe once in a lifetime and so that's

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the kind of experience that I would say

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that's an important waking dream that's

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one that you need to look at the Third

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Kind is a repetitive one if you have the

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same

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route for 20 years and I've never been

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stopped for speeding well two months ago

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I stopped got stopped for speeding and

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then three weeks later I got stopped

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again for speeding and can you believe

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it yesterday I got stopped the third

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time for speeding okay well you can say

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that's a coincidence but it's been my

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experience actually that it's not

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coincidental that these experiences come

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into our lives in the same way that

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dreams come into our lives when were

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asleep at night and they come into our

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lives for exactly the same reason that

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there is a message that's coming first

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of all from our subconscious but also

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from a realm beyond that that is trying

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to communicate with us and probably give

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us a little bit of a course correction

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it's really important not to generalize

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too much about dream symbols because

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even though there are certain kinds of

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dream symbols most dream symbols in fact

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are to a certain extent what we call arc

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typical that means that they are there's

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a commonality of dream symbols with

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everyone who has that symbol and that

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symbol comes into their dream it's also

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true that that arc typical connection is

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also overlaid with a very personal

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experience now let me give an example

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we all have mothers we've all had the

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experience of you know maybe good or bad

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with a mother but we all are born of

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mothers that that is absolutely our

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typical and universal that goes to every

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single human being that ever lived on

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the planet in that sense you can say

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that the dream symbol of the mother is

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that part of life that gives us life in

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that sense it's our typical but if I

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were to line up 10 people and say to

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each of them tell me about your mom

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I think you would agree that you would

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get 10 completely different responses

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about their attitudes toward their

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mothers and their relationships with

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their mothers and the very first

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instincts in terms of emotional reaction

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that comes to them when they think of

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their mothers so in that sense a mother

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is a universal symbol but at the same

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time it's a completely unique symbol to

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everyone who has it now the same thing

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is true of all symbols that we have

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another common one is a house people

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often dream about a house well okay a

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house is where you dwell symbolically at

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the house is where you live and that

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then can be taken in any direction not

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not just physical living but where you

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live in your consciousness where you

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live in your mind where you live in your

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emotions where you live in your desires

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where you live in spirit all of those

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things are part of the house well so if

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somebody dreams about a house that's the

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universal part of it that's that's the

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part that is our typical now it becomes

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very personal well what do you think of

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your house well what kind of a house did

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you dream about well the roof was

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leaking or the bathrooms were too small

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or you know it had this wonderful living

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room where hundreds of people were

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assembled and we had this great party

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well so all of a sudden this arc typical

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dream symbol becomes a very personal

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experience becomes a very unique symbol

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to the individual who's doing the

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dreaming here's another one very common

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water water is it a is a dream symbol

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that everybody has from time to time

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so what's water well water is the source

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of life I mean if we don't if we don't

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have water we will die okay so again

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it's that's universal that's our typical

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they experience that that if they don't

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have water in their lives they're not

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going to survive okay

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now somebody who's out swimming and the

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coat along the coast of California gets

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bitten by a shark is going to have a

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very different experience and a very

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different attitude about water then

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someone who let's say works for a

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purified water bottling company where

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for them water is all about you know

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giving somebody a really healthy

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alternative so again there is this it's

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not really a paradox but a dichotomy for

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sure between what is considered a

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universal symbol in dreams and what is

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then people's own experience that gets

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overlaid over that universal symbol and

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becomes a very very personalized

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experience somebody who has been bitten

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by a shark in the ocean dreams of the

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ocean they are gonna have a negative or

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perhaps a better way to say it is there

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going to have any an attitude about

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water that is associated with fear and

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trauma and disaster whereas someone who

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is a surfer and has been surfing his or

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her whole life and just experiences

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nothing but the exhilaration and the fun

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and the camaraderie and the Society and

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all the things that go with that if they

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have a dream about an ocean they're

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gonna have a very different attitude and

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a very different symbolism that's

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associated with that the idea that

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dreams happen during the day while we're

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awake is one that is relatively new to

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me in my dream work and it's one of the

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most exciting parts of it because people

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will tell you well I have no dream

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recall I don't remember my dreams and

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can tell you right now that you are

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dreaming all throughout the day and if

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you will pay attention to those

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experiences you have during the day that

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don't leave you alone that you have and

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they they stay with you they're

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aggravating or they they create an

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abrasion in your own mind and you you

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don't let them go those are the ones

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that are important to examine and I will

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give you an example of of someone I was

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working with who had an experience like

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this this is a man who is about my age

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late 50s early 60s and he had just been

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to the doctor he was a little bit

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overweight and his doctor had told him

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you know your diet and your weight are

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such that you're a really good candidate

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for type 2 diabetes and I really

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strongly recommend that you make some

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changes in your life and I recommend a

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healthier diet and I recommend exercise

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and all the things and a little bit of a

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late a weight loss so he came home full

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of all kinds of good intentions but you

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know how that goes the old habits die

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hard

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and because he enjoyed the experience of

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eating so much he belonged to one of

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these food clubs where you could go and

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buy food in large quantities you paid an

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annual membership and you would buy food

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in large quantities and then you get

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these great discounts on them and you

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saved quite a bit of money over the year

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but the trick is that you had to buy in

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large amounts well one of his favorite

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breakfast foods was orange marmalade and

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he ended up going to this club shortly

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after his doctor's appointment and he

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found there that these huge jars of

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orange marmalade were on sale

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and he bought three of them because he

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loved orange marmalade so much and he

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brought them home well he was trying to

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get in the door of his house from his

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car and he's carrying these jars all

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three jars of orange marmalade and he

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got as far as his kitchen okay but on

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his kitchen there is this ceramic tile

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floor and as he was walking into the

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kitchen he just slightly stumbled a

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little bit and all three jars flew out

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of his hand onto this tile floor and

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every one of them smashed completely on

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his floor well so instead of spending

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the morning doing what he had intended

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he ended up spending it on his hands and

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knees cleaning up all of this orange

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marmalade you can imagine it was all

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over his kitchen floor and splattered up

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along you know the bottoms of his

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cabinets and and it wasn't so bad on the

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tiles themselves but it was the grout

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between the tiles or all the sticky

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marmalade was stuck and he ended up you

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know with a toothbrush scrubbing all

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that's how he spent his entire morning

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and what's more not only was it a sticky

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mess that was unpleasant but it was full

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of shards of glass and so this was an

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experience that was really annoying to

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him first of all he loved the orange

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marmalade and second of all he ended up

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wasting a whole half of a day cleaning

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this up and so it was one of these

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experiences that didn't leave him he

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grumbled about it he groused about this

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experience for hours after it was over

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and actually for days and he knew me and

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he had worked with me before and he

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recognized that anything that you

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grumble about and grouse about for a

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good length of time is something that

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you need to examine and so he came to me

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and said I think I need to work on this

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as a wakingdream

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and so we did and so the idea that we

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would deal with this metaphorically was

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one that he had already experienced and

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so he was

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to do that so we did we dealt with

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orange marmalade as away as a dream

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symbol we dealt with shards of glass as

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a dream symbol we dealt with a solid

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hard floor surface and the kitchen the

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place where you cook things all of these

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were part of the dream symbol and I

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won't go into detail in every single

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symbol but basically what came out of

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his own analysis of his own dream

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symbols was that orange marmalade is

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something that he felt was really

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delicious and he enjoyed it but was

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maybe not very good for him

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shards of glass were something hidden

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within this substance that was delicious

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but not very good for him that was

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dangerous that he was this whole mishap

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happened in his kitchen which was the

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place where he cooks the food that

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sustains him and that in this kitchen

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there was this very hard surface on the

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floor that was unforgiving and when he

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related this to his doctor's experience

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I'm sure you and certainly he got the

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message right away that it was time that

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this was broken this was a system that

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was that he had stumbled and that he it

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was time for it to be broken and it was

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time for him to clean it up and to cook

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things on this unforgiving surface and

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what what that implied to him was that

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perhaps earlier in his life

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the flooring had been metaphorically

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speaking much more forgiving that all of

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us when were young and healthy and can

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afford to break the rules a little bit

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that's easier than when we start getting

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older now it's going to be less

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forgiving the environment is going to be

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more exacting it's going to take a

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greater toll and that it was time for

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him in his in his new approach to living

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in the place where he cooked his meals

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and I mean this metaphorically now the

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meals of life then he had to be a good

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deal more

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careful when I talk to people about

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dreams one of the things that I really

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emphasize a lot is that it's important

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for them to understand that this is a

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really personal communication that it's

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important not to overlay the dream

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symbols they have with a definition that

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someone else has come up with as I said

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earlier even the most our typical dream

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symbols will have an element of personal

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experience to them and the more they

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become aware of the dream symbols that

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they have in their life the more they

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will see that the symbolism is being

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tailored specifically to them the dreams

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become very personal they become very

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poignant too they become direct

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communications from the other side for a

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lack of a better way to say it they are

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a course correction they are a personal

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statement coming to them from the beyond

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and it's one it's a communication that

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goes on all their lives in fact the idea

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that you know oh Lord hear our prayers

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that's a very common thing that you hear

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it's actually ridiculous there is never

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a time when the divine presence does not

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hear a prayer and there's never a time

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when it is not talking to us that

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communication is going on 24 hours a day

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and it's up to us simply to learn the

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language that it speaks in it doesn't

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always speak direct English or direct

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whatever language that that is our

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native language it speaks in the

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language of metaphor which is a

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universal language that's a language

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that every single human being on the

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planet speaks and so it is in this

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universal language that the divine

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speaks to us and if we take the time to

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learn that language and on

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stand that that communication is going

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on 24 hours a day we will never ever